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Finally saw the new Star Trek movie

I thought that it was entertaining but way too predictable (Khan's crew must be hiding in the torpedoes! That tribble is going to come back to life and McCoy will realize that Khan's blood has superpowers!), I was annoyed by Carol's gratuitous near-nudity, and most of all, I was pissed that they took the iconic death scene from TWOK and managed to suck all of the emotion right out of it. Because Kirk and Spock HAVEN'T been professional partners and best friends for decades, because Kirk was always willing to risk his own life for kicks, not just as a noble sacrifice, because Pike's death is the real moment in which Kirk realizes that he can't always get what he wants. And while I love Benedict Cumberbatch as an actor, and he produced a truly chilling performance here, I think that surely an actor of something approaching the appropriate ethnicity could have been found to play Khan Noonian Singh. I was so sure from the casting and trailer that he would turn out to be Gary Mitchell. Oh well.

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cuddyclothes
Jul. 13th, 2013 04:03 am (UTC)
I'm confused--Kirk was always willing to risk his life for kicks? I only know Original Flavor Kirk (Shatner) and that wasn't how he operated. He was many things but a dashing daredevil he wasn't. Horny, though.
flywoman
Jul. 13th, 2013 04:16 am (UTC)
You have to see the first Abrams movie, it's totally part of Kirk's reboot characterization.

Edited at 2013-07-13 04:17 am (UTC)
daasgrrl
Jul. 13th, 2013 05:55 am (UTC)
Yes to all of the above. I HATE what they did with that scene from TWOK, and I'm still bitter he wasn't Gary Mitchell, because that would have been awesome, glowy eyes and all.
flywoman
Jul. 13th, 2013 12:54 pm (UTC)
IKR?? We still could have had him play essentially the same character - superior and arrogant and treating everyone else like his playthings - and he would have been a great foil for Kirk to learn the lessons that Pike wanted to teach him about what can happen to a man who believes himself to be above the rules.
alternatealto
Jul. 13th, 2013 11:42 am (UTC)
You've pretty much summed up my reaction in one tidy paragraph.

I commented to my partner that I might've liked the Star Trek movie more if I hadn't seen Iron Man 3 just a week previously. The Iron Man script was well-written and as elegantly handled as a professional magician's best illusion. ("Here, we'll show you what we're going to do, and you still won't see it coming!")

The Star Trek script, on the other hand, was incredibly clunky. And they couldn't foreshadow anything without jumping up and down and screaming in your face, so by the time the thing they'd been hinting at finally arrived, you were already bored to tears by it. (The torpedoes, the tribble, Scotty's sudden departure . . . ) It all felt like it had been written by and for a bunch of fourteen-year-old boys.
flywoman
Jul. 13th, 2013 01:02 pm (UTC)
I haven't seen any of the Iron Man movies, but I keep hearing good things.

EXACTLY. I hadn't even been spoiled, and yet nothing surprised me. I'm all for skillful foreshadowing, but for heaven's sake, use some subtlety.

I read one review that suggested that Abrams' approach would be much better suited to the Star Wars franchise, and I have to agree. As a Star Trek fan, I expect more maturity, more philosophy, more attention to ethical dilemmas and character development. This is so obviously "Let's take a bunch of attractive young people and cash in on a dead guy's iconic creations."
yarroway
Jul. 13th, 2013 12:05 pm (UTC)
Thank you for this. I didn't like the first rebooted movie at all, and now I'm glad I didn't want to see this second one.
flywoman
Jul. 13th, 2013 01:05 pm (UTC)
Actually, I liked this movie a lot more than I liked the first one on first viewing. Not that this says very much.

I think I'll have to go back and watch the original Star Trek movies, at least II, III, and IV, to clear this one out of my head.
alternatealto
Jul. 13th, 2013 02:36 pm (UTC)
You might slip an Iron Man movie in there; I think you'll like them. (Although I do recommend starting with the first one because otherwise you're missing all the backstory. And it's also a good idea to watch the Avengers movie before I.M.3 -- again, backstory.)
flywoman
Jul. 13th, 2013 02:44 pm (UTC)
Yes, my RL beta told me that I should watch The Avengers first and then the rest of them... which is why I haven't gotten around to it yet, so much of an investment, lol.
yarroway
Jul. 13th, 2013 02:58 pm (UTC)
I haven't seen most of those, but the first Iron Man stands fine on its own and is a great movie. You should definitely see it.
yarroway
Jul. 13th, 2013 03:04 pm (UTC)
I liked this movie a lot more than I liked the first one on first viewing. Not that this says very much.

I hated the first one. That's what lead me to decide not to bother with Abrams anymore. I'm not looking forward to what he does with Star Wars either, though after the travesty of episodes 1-3 I know that at least I won't be disappointed.
flywoman
Jul. 14th, 2013 02:54 am (UTC)
Yeah, seriously, Abrams' Star Wars couldn't possibly be worse than those, right?
yarroway
Jul. 14th, 2013 10:50 am (UTC)
It's hard to imagine. On the other hand, coming up with something worse is an interesting challenge. Possibly by going cross-genre? Hmmm...the movie follows a group of teenage Jedi-in-training, done as a soap opera, titled Jedi Nights. Half romance tropes with trite dialogue and half action scenes as things blow up for no apparent reason.

And gratuitous boobs. Gotta compete with ST, after all.


flywoman
Jul. 14th, 2013 10:30 pm (UTC)
BWAHAHAHAHA, Jedi Nights!

Wait a minute, your description pretty much matches that of the second recent Star Wars movie.
yarroway
Jul. 14th, 2013 11:56 pm (UTC)
That's disturbing. Sometimes I use things stored in my subconscious without really sorting out where they came from. I didn't watch 2 but I did hear a lot about it, so the resemblance is probably due to that.

I still like my title better, though.
menolly_au
Jul. 13th, 2013 10:07 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed it in an action movie, mindless entertainment, kind of way (as in, this is not Star Trek). I quite liked the remix of the death scene but yeah, didn't have anywhere near the impact of the original because you really have no sense of Kirk and Spock being friends (let alone ~soulmates). Also the idea of Kirk going fresh out of the academy and into the command of a powerful starship was flawed to start with and remains flawed. Spock being in a 'romance' annoys the crap out of me. I wasn't spoiled for Nimoy's appearance so I let out a little squee at that :)

I'm surprised they went for a retread of WOK though - I hope if there's a next movie they start making their own stories.
flywoman
Jul. 14th, 2013 03:01 am (UTC)
Yeah, I can understand that. Unfortunately I am not a fan of mindless action movies in general. What I liked so much about Star Trek was that it was *mindful* entertainment.

Yeah, Kirk may have been the youngest Starfleet captain ever, but that doesn't mean he was going to get a starship fresh out of almost flunking the Academy for cheating on the Kobayashi Maru.

I'm also very annoyed by the Spock/Uhura romance. It was fun to see them flirting a little on the old series as colleagues who respected one another and would never actually cross those boundaries. Here it's totally unrealistic that Spock would deny his human half while carrying on in a romantic/sexual relationship with one.

Totally agree - they have great actors and effects but they can't come up with a damn original script? Sheesh.
yarroway
Jul. 14th, 2013 10:53 am (UTC)
I wasn't spoiled for Nimoy's appearance so I let out a little squee at that :)


what, what, WHAT??
menolly_au
Jul. 14th, 2013 10:57 am (UTC)
Yep - up there on the big screen and everything :)

Nu!Spock couldn't work out whether to trust Khan or not so he rang up the real Spock to ask him. Spock goes 'oh, I already told you I can't tell you anything about the future' and then proceeds to spill the beans. It's fairly brief but it was nice to see him again :)
yarroway
Jul. 14th, 2013 01:26 pm (UTC)
Rly?

TOS Spock did it without even counting on his fingers. Still, any excuse for a Nimoy appearance is a good thing.
menolly_au
Jul. 14th, 2013 01:28 pm (UTC)
The trouble with having Nimoy in the movie is that it makes Nu!Spock just look like a guy with funny ears. But my bias may be showing :)
yarroway
Jul. 14th, 2013 01:59 pm (UTC)
Am I the only one who doesn't like new Uhura either?
menolly_au
Jul. 14th, 2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
I didn't mind the new Uhura (as much as I didn't mind any of the other cast) but I disliked the whole 'in a relationship with Spock' thing - because, Spock.
flywoman
Jul. 14th, 2013 10:29 pm (UTC)
My sentiments exactly. She looks different from the original Uhura, and we haven't seen evidence of her musical talents thus far, but it's primarily her relationship with the supposed more-Vulcan-than-Vulcan that bothers me.
yarroway
Jul. 14th, 2013 11:09 pm (UTC)
Yes, her relationship with Spock makes no sense to me either. She was also bitchy to Kirk in Reboot, and just seems...unhappy in a way that TOS Uhura never did. Also, I'm sorry, but I have a problem with a character of African descent being played by someone lighter-skinned and of a different ethnicity.
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